Ezra Klein has been a New York Times columnist since 2021 and is the host of The Ezra Klein Show podcast. Klein's interview with Stephen Batchelor appeared in the New York Times on January 2, 2025 in an article titled "This Question Can Change Your Life."

Klein and Batchelor discussed the Seon Buddhist meditation practice of What is this? and Batchelor's reframing of the Four Noble Truths as four tasks.

Tuwhiri, the secular Buddhist publishing imprint, has published a book of dharma talks given by Stephen Batchelor and Martine Batchelor on the What is this? meditation practice. Click here to purchase that book.

To listen to the full interview, click below: